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 Post subject: Re: Population Trends
PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:28 pm 
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yadkinv wrote:
I thought there was a moratorium in all of NC on any annexation (not de-annexation) or is Greensboro exempt from this so as to, in paranoid pursuit, keep its population higher than that of W-S?

Only involuntary annexation is banned in North Carolina, not voluntary annexation.


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 Post subject: Re: Population Trends
PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:14 pm 
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Oh, OK thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: Population Trends
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 12:07 pm 
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https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/23183/winston-salem/population This site lists W-S metro larger than Greensboro; I reckon High Point is discounted since Guilford County is over 500k.


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 Post subject: Re: Population Trends
PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:47 pm 
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I think that list uses Urbanized Area (UA)? Urbanized Area is often thought of as the most accurate measurement of a city's size. Other measures of city size can take-in parts of other places, can include independent places, or include rural areas that distort the numbers. Urbanized Area is just the developed area and is measured the same for all cities, with fewer distortions. Of course people often complain about all measures of city size, but this is usually accepted as the better measurement of those available to us.


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 Post subject: Re: Population Trends
PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:26 am 
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Forsyth County (along with Guilford and Mecklenburg) is one of the "biggest losers" in net filer tax gains(losses) in 2019-2020.

Even though Forsyth County saw a net increase of 489 tax filers during that period, the county saw a decrease of $53M in total net adjusted income in the county (approx. negative $8500 per filer). The per filer income appears to be the largest drop in the state. I'm not sure what could cause this? On a positive note, we gained new filers while Guilford County actually lost filers.

Other big counties also did poorly, outside of Wake County. My guess is that Wake County is strategically positioned, in-terms of tax revenue, better than Charlotte here. Cities are showing signs of hollowing out as people move to the 'burbs, and Raleigh's burbs are in Wake County (Apex, Cary, Wake Forest, Morrisville, etc.), while Charlotte's 'burbs are in surrounding counties (Concord, Rock Hill, Mooresville, Gastonia, etc.).

Forsyth
fourth biggest drop in total income
489 new filers
-$8500 net AGI per filer
Total loss - $53M

Mecklenburg
biggest drop in total income
531 new filers
-$6300 net AGI per filer
Total loss - $193M

Guilford
third biggest drop in total income
negative 29 new filers
-$5100 net AGI per filer
Total loss - $73M

Wake
fourth biggest gain in total income
3900 new filers
-$1600 net AGI per filer
Total gain- $261M

https://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/n ... th-nc.html


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 Post subject: Re: Population Trends
PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:23 am 
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My optimistic take on gaining filers but losing AGI would be that Forsyth has positioned itself as a good area for retirees, who bring wealth but not necessarily income.


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 Post subject: Re: Population Trends
PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:56 am 
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What happened between April 2019 and April 2020?

BB&T merged with SunTrust to create Truist and moved their high paying jobs from Winston-Salem and Atlanta to Charlotte. This may also help explain why so many people moved from Fulton County, GA., to Charlotte? Greensboro was noteworthy at that time for having fewer jobs than it had in the 1990s. Greensboro, back then, wasn't recovering from their big job losses. Back to BB&T: Some of BB&T's top executives ranked among the highest paid in the Triad. Both BB&T and VF executives did well on the highest paid in the Triad list.

If only the merger was announced a year later... maybe some of those headquarters employees would've stayed and worked-from-home?


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